Lessons Learned in 2024 and How to Thrive in 2025 With Joanne Zara Ellen Morrell

Episode 150 January 05, 2025 00:32:22
Lessons Learned in 2024 and How to Thrive in 2025 With Joanne Zara Ellen Morrell
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Lessons Learned in 2024 and How to Thrive in 2025 With Joanne Zara Ellen Morrell

Jan 05 2025 | 00:32:22

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It's the first episode of a brand new year, and we've hit 150! 

To celebrate, host Joanne Zara Ellen Morrell, author of young adult fiction, women's fiction and short non fiction for authors, shares her trials and triumphs from lessons learned in 2024, her personal journey and how to thrive in 2025.  

https://faculty.vt.edu/faculty-development/mentoring-and-support/faculty-writing/articles-for-faculty-writers/a-fresh-take-on-the-pomodoro-technique.html

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[00:00:00] Speaker A: Hello authors. [00:00:01] Speaker B: I'm Joanne Morrell, children's and young adult fiction writer and author of short nonfiction for Authors. Thanks for joining me for the Hybrid Author Podcast, sharing interviews from industry professionals to help you forge a career as a hybrid author both independently and traditionally publishing your books. You can get the show notes for each episode and sign up for your free Author pass over at the Hybrid Author website to discover your writing process, get tips on how to publish productively, and get comfortable promoting your books at www. Let's crack on with the episode. [00:00:42] Speaker A: Hello authors. I hope you're all keeping well in whatever part of the world you reside and listen to. The podcast in today is a loner sword from me and I'm reflecting lessons learned in 2024 and chatting how to thrive in 2025 so so unlike last Lessons Learned where I split up categories into, you know, writing projects, money, etc and whether I hit goals I set, I have categorized my year into the title. I'll chat on lessons Learned and then on how to thrive in 2025, which will reveal my focus areas. So there's no Author Adventure segment this week, just a short clip for our longtime sponsor of the podcast, Thorne Creative. So if it's your goal to get an author website up and running this year, look no further than Thorn Creative. They make the process and end result something cherish and can't imagine how you survive so long without an absolutely beautiful website made by Thorn Creative. [00:01:48] Speaker B: Thorn Creative where beautiful websites for authors are brought to life no matter what stage you're at with your writing, your stories deserve a dedicated space to shine. 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[00:03:15] Speaker A: Lessons learned in 2024 it's been a big year of for me trying new things, putting myself out there more than ever, facing fears and overcoming roadblocks in my writing career. So we'll start with what didn't work and on a happy note, with what did so the trials. What didn't work in 2024? So at the start of 2024 in January, I went about setting up a freelance writing workshop. And this was called the four documents. You need to set up your freelance writing business for success. Now I made these workshops at Edith Cowan University, which is the university that I studied writing at. And they've got a couple of campuses and I booked rooms in each and I undertook the workshop on my own. This was an event that I put out myself. You know, I put it together, I found the venue, promoted it, and went about getting materials and things like that. There was sadly and embarrassingly and also heartbreakingly, I had no attendees show up for either workshop. So this was a bit of a blow because, you know, it was the very beginning of 2024. You know, you're fresh and excited and brimming with new ideas to execute the head. And you know, you try, try a lot and you put your time and effort into something and you know, nothing happens. So it can just feel a bit lackluster as well. I remember, I don't know if it was the year before or one of the years again, an event that I tried to do was like a webinar online and I think it was one of these topics as well. And I had like, I think I had a couple people book in, but nobody actually showed for it. And it was just a free kind of half an hour webinar and you just feel like it's it. You're kind of just sitting there waiting for people and it's just like no one's coming. And yeah, so it's a little bit crap. But I kind of just. When I, you know, lessons learned. Looking back on this event, I believe it to be because I didn't allow enough promotion for it. You know, I think that really to give an event a good chance of succeeding and for, you know, enough people to hear about it, make plans to come, you need about two to three months, definitely is sufficient. That's where planning the year before, even mid year about what you're doing the year later is always best. And it's something that I've definitely learned in 2020, being organized more planning for like the year ahead because that things book out and you need. People need notification these days. Life is busy. And I think I only actually gave the event about Two to three weeks and not even for the promotion. So I really, really feel that's what let me down. The other trial was a Kickstarter campaign that I ran probably about mid year. That was, you know, I had some big ideas about making my women's fiction book, the Writer, the Hairdresser and the Nurse by Zara Ellen Immersive Experience. And this was through offering book Bund, which included stemless wine glasses and acacia wooden platter boards and silver polished Paris cheese knives with my book. So the thought process around this was that the reader, or readers such as groups, you know, or book clubs, could recreate the pinot and platter nights that my characters, Donna Agnes and Christie have in the book to hash out, you know, their troubles. But I set my goal at my target at $10,000. The campaign ran for 30 days and I didn't hit near, anywhere near it. And this once again is, I believe, not enough promotion. I did not promote before the Kickstarter went live. And that's something that they talk about again, you know, companies, two to three months. The pre, not the pre orders, but the pre promotion and things is massive, absolutely massive. And I think I did about, actually when the campaign launched, I did about two weeks worth during it and a little after. Like, I also believe it was my mindset that let me down. I felt like I kind of gave up before I even begun. It was really sort of difficult, difficult putting myself out in this capacity of asking people to back this project. Although, you know, you're not asking for money for nothing. It is, yeah, it's really just to help get ideas off the ground. And it's. I love the concept of Kickstarter and it absolutely works for a lot of people. But in this instance it definitely didn't work for me. I think I also confused a lot of people around what I was asking them. I found a lot of people didn't actually understand what Kickstarter was. They could. They found it hard to navigate and they were very interested in the women's fiction book, but not so much on the stuff that was coming with it, the bundle bundles. And maybe I should have split everything up as an option. There could have been different ways of doing it, but because I was running the Kickstarter, obviously they could only buy through that. But I was saying things like, I'm gonna have a book launch, so if you don't want the bundles, you know, you can just get the book after that. So I was effectively saying two things to people. So it's not a case of oh, back the Kickstarter and get the book. And it was, you could still get the book a month later. Which I think kind of counteracts the point of that. I also think my $10,000 goal target was a little. To be honest, I didn't really see the point in putting up a low amount. I needed to get. I put up what I needed to get those bundles off the ground otherwise I wouldn't be doing them. I had or you know, all the little bits were quite expensive. They were quality products and you know, I'd already paid out for the book. That wasn't what it was about. But I wasn't going to put up money up front for these bundles, these glasses and the, you know, the platter boards and things if no one wanted them because, you know, I wasn't passionate about that. So I didn't want to have a room full of glasses and boards. And you know, as it stands I still do have stock left over and I'm trying to sort of repurpose them in different ways and so we'll see if that happens. Not lots, but some. So that, that was definitely a trial and probably like quite a big one. There is a triumph in there too and I also have that on the triumphs list. Another trial was no distribution for my women's fiction books because of printing local. So this time around I printed with a local printing company to make my women's fiction book the Writer, the Hairdresser and the Nurse by Zara Ellen. And yeah, it was a great experience which I talk about in the triumph. But I got the paid and got the books printed and I have no distribution channel. So my other non fiction books and books that I've and another, you know, children's fiction book in the past that I made through Amazon. As soon as you, you know, you make these books there is a distribution channel through IngramSpark, through Amazon, through these print on demand services. So I've been used to that and not having to really think about how else I'm going to get it out there. So I effectively felt I had to make a second product terms of the print book through Amazon and you know, I'm finding I don't have to and it's just, it's all been a bit of a learning curve. No, it's not a regret. But yeah, again it's another experience that I'm able to advise people on that there's a lot more to it that you, you have to think about. The trial was a market stall I done in November and I actually always said to myself I wouldn't do markets, but I thought I'd give this one a go as it's quite a huge event in Paris, Western Australia, where I live. But you know, the space that you get for selling, it's quite costly. But there was obviously a lot of, a lot of traffic throughout the day. It was a long day. I felt a bit silly sort of standing there until I kind of got on the swing of things and was like chatting away to people and pretty much broke even just about. So I made no profit on the day. Visibility might have been worth it for my book. And you know, and it's not actually the whole experience hasn't put me off markets. I am actually trying another markets in a couple of weeks which is slightly smaller. So we'll see the difference with that. And obviously the space is a little bit cheaper too and just see how it fares. But I'm not really sure. Some advice that I had around markets this year was that it's all well and good going, but are your target market there who want to buy what you're selling on the day? Are you reaching the right people? So again, it's all trial and error. It's all testing the waters. So that's the trials. So there's about 1, 2, 3, 4 kind of four major trials I had this year. But all of these, when I, when I reflect on them all as a whole, they're actually all a triumph because, you know, it was me putting myself out there trying different things that I'd never tried before that really put me out of my comfort zone. I've got to say this year has 100% been uncomfortable as hell. I've really put myself out there, center stage and yeah, it feels some things have not worked, obviously as, as I've just talked about. So let's talk about the. That did work. The triumphs. What worked for me this year. So this year I had numerous public speaking gigs. I attended my first literacy festival that was in early March through the Shire of Harvey. It was the Osterland Library. So I drove a couple of hours to be part of the festival and had my first session doing Discovering Roblox in writing. A small, small audience, but very intimate and just loved the whole experience. I actually found, you know, I was incredibly nervous, but I was very prepared and was what gets you through. But I find after speaking I actually get massive energy. It's the same as the podcast. After interviewing and stuff, I have bouncing energy and then I sort of hit a wall. So these things don't take out energy for me, they actually give me energy, which is quite cool. So that was a real positive. To kick off the year in the speaking gig, I appeared on two podcasts, Totally lit and tbrm. And basically I was chatting about my work, library systems and hybrid authorship and yeah, and so that was, that was fantastic. In May I finished and printed out my women's fiction manuscript and began getting the book made into production, deciding to try and rid shipping costs and print locally as I mentioned, which quality was top notch and service was speedy. And it was. There was something very, very exciting and magical having the books hand delivered to my door by the printer himself and then by a friend as well who I found out was the driver of the company. So that was really novel and I'm glad I had that as well. These books are special editions now that I'm selling through my website, which can be author signed. You can't get them anywhere else. The other print products that are going to be sold via, you know, Amazon and probably the third party retailers, it's a different product, it's like a second edition, it's a kind of smaller size. So yeah, the ones that I've got have now become quite special, I think. So that's cool. I attended the Squibby Rottnest Writers retreat in June and that was a triumph because it's always inspiring to be around creatives. It's always great going across to Rottnest. Weather was crap as usual. But also had a bit of a revelation over there as to how much I've learned over the years, especially through the podcast, you know, weekly episodes interviewing people on various aspects of like the industry and stuff. I felt like I don't. You. You don't know it all, of course not or anything, but I just felt like, I just felt like I'd knew, I knew quite a bit when I was there. And I also realized that I definitely am venturing more into the, the women's fiction, the romance side, the adult. And I made a decision after that retreat to pull back from children's fiction. So, you know, that's. After what's been an amazing seven years of attending events through Squibi west, being a part of squibi, which is obviously Society of Children's Book Writers and Illustrators, I decided to step down. I was a volunteer part of the committee as newsletter editor and social media coordinator. And I'm no longer being quite involved in this area or with that organization at this point. I still have aspirations for writing young adult fiction. And I had a book extensively critiqued over there by publisher and fellow peers and I still plan on writing that and it floats back to me often. I'm just not sure when. Perhaps after, you know, the second in series of the women's fiction. But then it might be in my best interest to finish that series first, which is four books and keep momentum going there. So the Kickstarter, yes, made it onto the triumphs list because again, the marketing material that I, you know, it helped to promote my book before the book launch. So effectively I didn't do any marketing for the Kickstarter, but then the Kickstarter worked as marketing for the book launch which was happening. I don't know if it was the month after. Yeah, it must have been. If that was June and then I think it was July, I had the book launch. So that was a bit of a longer promotion I did for it and I definitely feel long. Promotion is absolute key to anything and that's something I want to focus more on this year. So the book launch was for the Writer, the Hairdresser and the Nurse by Zara Ellen was an absolute roaring success again in the week leading up to that, I had crippling fear, self doubt of having to be up the front of a stage and speak for like an hour on stuff. Again, it's just out of my comfort zone. I just haven't done a lot of it and I, you know, it's you wearing your heart on your sleeve, putting yourself out there for others to judge. It's such a scary moment. But it was absolutely fantastic and I just enjoyed it so much and received such positivity from it and it was just an all round amazing night. So, you know, definitely get your put yourself out there. I am. If I can do it, anybody can bloody do it, I tell you. So. That was a major triumph of mine. I sold a lot of books. It was a great celebration. Shout out to Writing Wa for hosting the venue at the library, for hosting the launch and also to Sasha Worsley, AKA Ash Harrier, who launched the book officially for me. I didn't properly get to thank her, but Ash, Sasha, if you're listening, I owe you so much. Thank you so, so much for your valued interviewing skills and still a care package coming your way. And thank you again to everybody that came to the launch and supported me on that night. It was fantastic. Also the feedback, this is another triumph, the feedback I'm now receiving for my women's fiction book. A lot of people are reaching out to me and saying how much they've enjoyed it or, you know, they couldn't put it down or they've read it right to the end, which is really cool. And so, you know, you just smile that you just, oh, I'm really enjoying your book. And to get comments like you're such a great writer and stuff like that, because there was crickets the first time I self published the Junior fiction in my first year of uni and I think that just speaks volumes. So the fact that people actually take the time to tell you they enjoyed the book gives you that boost of confidence as well. And so, yeah, if you have read the Writer, the Hairdresser and the Nurse, please leave me a review on thehybridauthor.com books or the ebook is now up on Amazon. If you're able to write a review that would be much appreciated to get the ball rolling, to let other people know, you know, that's enjoyable. And I think reading a book for some is such an achievement. Whether it takes you a whole year to read a book or however fast or slow you are, like actually getting to the end of something, even like it's like a writing project, even getting to the end of something is a bloody achievement in itself, no matter what happens after. But especially for reading, you know. Yes. And I love that it doesn't even matter that my book is getting shared around. It's. It's not a case, you know, people are passing it on to other people and that's really cool. It's kind of like a word of mouth. So I'm super, super happy of that. That's another triumph for me, the City of Gosnells writing workshops that in November well and truly proved that I'd gotten over the fear of public speaking. So again, the writing events that I've done this year have been very intimate audiences. There's not been lots of people, but I don't think that mattered. Like I was actually really excited for them also, you get a tiny bit nervous. But I just wanted to share my expertise and if anything, I feel like I went overboard with the information and maybe somehow I can kind of pare that back. But I just feel like I know so much and I've got so much to share, especially from the podcast, which I paired back episodes. So again, I was speaking on discovering Roblox in writing and getting published as well, which I covered topics on traditional, self published, hybrid and AI publishing, which is going to be, you know, quite a new thing coming into this year. And it Will be interesting to watch how it plays out. Yeah. Not too worried about it, to be honest. I think it's just going to be another option for everybody and there's going to be a crowded marketplace place. It's already like that, so we'll see what, what the outcome is. Last year and this year I earned an income from my author business, my book business, prior to that, a couple of years running, the business has been running at a loss, basically. So pretty happy that that's the case. It's on its way. And final triumph is I interviewed 50 guests for the podcast and put out 43 episodes, which is massive. Absolutely massive. Massive. So when I count up the triumphs, there is 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 11 triumphs over, you know, say, four trials. Definitely more things to be triumphant about this year than to feel trialed on. I'm super proud at looking back over all I've achieved this year and all I've done, and it's been an absolute hell of a lot in between what I've gone through, personally patting myself on the back here, how to thrive in 2025. So I'm not sure if you've noticed, but I've been noticing a lot of less is more talk for 2025. And it used to be, you know, work faster, work harder, work smarter. And these were kind of things that I was telling myself, but the messages showing to me on social media and the like seem to be less is more. I don't. It's not a new concept, but perhaps so in a workplace, and it's one I'm adopting this year. This is the mantra in 2020. Less is more. Something new to me and something I'll practice is trying working for 25 minutes at a time and then having a five minute break. And apparently this resets the brain and produces more productivity. So I recently learned about the Pomodoro technique and it was coined by, I hope I'm going to say this right, Francesco cirillo in the 1980s. And it's a technique centered on good time management skills with periodic breaks in between small sessions of focused work. And it's all about focus, and the name comes from Francesco, timing the sessions using a timer shaped like a tomato and the Italian word for tomato being pomodoro. So the technique aims to keep our minds more focused and fresh. And I don't know about you, but being a single mom of two girls now, and with so much competing for our time, energy and attention, I can only see the Benefits, you know, to helping us finish projects more efficiently. So working for 25 minutes and having a five minute break apparently resets the brain and produces more focus. And I'm usually like get carried away. Sometimes I'll be on one task and I might think of another and sometimes I'm jumping all the place. So yeah, this will be good to see if I can focus my mind a bit more. So it works like this. You choose a task, set a timer for 25 minutes, focus on that task without interruption and when the timer goes off, take a five minute break. Each 25 minute work session is called a Pomodoro and after completing four Pomodoros in succession, take a 30 minute break. So there's a great article I read on a faculty development site which I'll link to the show notes about this technique and why it works for some writers, but not all. So the blank page played a big part in this, but it's noting. It's, you know, this is what this article notes. It's writing is not just always sitting, typing the words out. It's thinking, it's plotting, it's character development, it's dreaming, it's researching. It's not always just doing or editing or you know, movement, movement. There's, there's thought process in there as well. And that took a lot for me to get my head around in the past, in many years back that you don't have to just be sitting at a desk typing for you to be achieving in your manuscript. So you know, a lot of tasks and actions make up a whole to get to the end of a writing project. I love how in this, this article, you know, the, the author talks about celebrating every pomodoro effort. So it's worth having a read of this if you're you're interested. So celebrate every 25 minutes. Celebrate every 25 minutes. Why not? Eh, you might feel pretty good after it rather than waiting for the end. After each milestone is a milestone. So every 25 minutes, just woohoo. Personal family it's been one of the biggest years for my personal life. As mentioned in the lessons learned in 2023 and what's in store for 2024 podcast episode from last year. So I briefly mentioned my separation and single parenthood. This year has been even more difficult. Navigating my marriage ending and helping my children adjust to their new life has been one of the most emotionally trying and difficult times of my life. And on many occasions I've had to pull my focus from my book business to deal with the needs of others and what is required of me to help get me through, you know, certain situations that have been cast upon me. As hard as things have been moving on from what was to what is meant to be, I'm definitely in a much better position than last year and the future looks way brighter than ever. So one very big reason for this is without even trying or looking, I have fallen in love. Love hard, with an extremely, wonderfully special, amazing man who I could fill up a million podcast episodes gushing about. He's a friend who I've known for a very long time and he's always been there, you know, right in the front of my eyes. Now it seems to be our time together to be together, not. Not way back in our 20s when we were distilly. So from falling for this man, I've learned that all the cliches are true when it comes to love. It happens when you least expect it. You know what's for you won't go by you. True love conquers all. What has been a very trying mixed bag of emotions this year ends with a huge smile across my face because of this man and the future I see us having together. I want to say he is my happy ending, but he's actually my beginning to having eternal peace and love. So it's a good thing I've entered the romance writing genre because I could fill up pages with this love stuff, if you can't already tell. So how am I and my writing business? I'm now calling it a writing business as the aspirations I have for 2025 are not solely around book writing anymore, but other writing projects too, and outsourcing writing income to help support my family. Because ultimately this has been my goal, undertaking this career from the beginning, you know, making money, because this is my job and it's just me now. So the things I'm going to focus on to thrive in 2025 are the less is more mantra. I will commit to one book writing project this year year. And this is the second in my women's fiction series, the Lawyer, the Singer and the Server. So I plotted most of it apart from the ending at the end of last year. So now I have revisited the plot in the last few days and started writing. January to March is the timeline for this project. It's my prediction from writing to finished product, meaning, you know, publication. Stay tuned. I'll be sharing my process, of course, on the podcast and on social media. So I already have a couple of speaking gigs booked in for this year. An Author Talk on discovering the Power of Podcasting. And that's Wednesday 12th February 2025. That's at Nedlands Library if you're around in Perth and Netherlands. And on that day the event will run from 10:30 to 11:30. And so you can learn how to use podcasting to expand your reach, connect with readers and build a loyal audience. And we'll explore everything from starting your own show to being a guest on others, and how this platform can boost your brand sales and visibility. So whether you're a seasoned author or just starting out, this session will show you how to harness the potential of podcasting to grow your writing career. So I'll let you know when you can book a spot for this very soon. There's also an online course through the Romance Writers of Australia I'm conducting which will get announced shortly as well as a once off seminar mid year. And I have some super exciting news about my first in series, Women's Fiction the Writer, the Hairdresser and the Nurse. So in hindsight it appears to already be shaping up to be an amazing year. And I'm not making any goals like I want to earn this much or sell this much or write this much. Instead less is more committing to into less, blocking out noise, taking in less one writing project, one book promotion and then I'll perhaps reassess mid year. So I'm all about hybrid having it all. But as a single parent now I certainly struggled to do it all this year. I felt less like I was chasing my tail which is a positive from, from the many years before. But I want to learn more about, you know, AI tools or just support tools in general of how I can use them to help me do less, using them to achieve more and sticking with them mantra. So that doesn't mean I'm going to use it to write or write my books or publish my books or do anything like that. I'm talking about using these tools in a way to run my business and, and just pick up the slack. You know, there's, there's a whole load of things that these, these machines can do to take away jobs from us, to help us and I want to learn a lot more about that for myself really. So the one goal I do have is to read more and more widely and that's already kicked a fiction book. I am currently reading the Disorganization of Cecilia Stone by Emma Young and I'm reading a non fiction book, although I don't know if you could call it non fiction. It's Kind of like a diary style, like Emma's book, and it's about a bookseller. I haven't got it in front of me, unfortunately, but I'll be talking about that because it's really cool. And I'm also starting to read movie scripts and television scripts, so I am currently reading the Village by. I'm gonna say his name wrong. I always call it M. Night Shaman, but I don't think that's how you, you say it. So yeah, just different, different formats, different sort of varieties, things like that. The Hybrid Author podcast in 2025 I absolutely love podcasting so much and I get a lot out of it, but I also put a lot into it, which now in my current situation, you know, I'm a sole earner supporting two children. The podcast has to be financially accountable for me to keep putting in the time to keep the podcast running as a way to help support myself and my kids. So evident changes you can expect going forward for this podcast is weekly. Episodes will now release on Sundays instead of Fridays. And the look of the episodes are going to change from sort of still audio posts to more kind of videos or reels. And finally, after three years, the podcast is now entering the pay to play arena, which means I will now be charging for my time to create, interview, edit and produce and promote guests on the podcast. So I also have some advertising opportunities available. So if you're interested in any of these opportunities to promote you and your work, you can pitch [email protected] with your name and podcast episode idea. Again, not just anybody will be taken. There is a sort of review submission process and I will be making announcements on social media soon that I am open for pitching because the next podcast batching is going to be in February. So by now some of you may have kicked off the new year like me, starting as I mean to go on. And that was waking up early, sober and fresh and working the first day of the new year. There was no wild partying and this was really important to me because exactly that I wanted to start as I meant to go on. But for you, you may still be holidaying or you know, taking things easy, still on break or leave from work and enjoying a relaxing retreat into 2025. And that's okay for whatever you choose to decide for. However you make this year work for you, it's up to you. Because your you is different from my you, if that makes sense. But if last year taught me anything, it's that a lot can happen. A lot of unforeseen life items happen and a year may not play out out as we planned. And it can also be full of wonderful surprises that that you didn't foresee either that take you on an entirely different path. And it can also provide absolute clarity that something is for you or is not for you anymore and you must adapt to move forward with the new you. So I want to thank everyone who's listened to the podcast from the very beginning, or if you've just joined or tuned in and out over the years. Thank you to all 2024 podcast guests. And just a general shout out to every author trying their best to have whatever they deem a successful career. 2025 is going to be your year. Woo. So there you have it folks. I hope you enjoyed that. Lessons learned in 2024 and how to thrive in 2025. January on the podcast is all about the podcast's overall message being Life is too short to wait and to kick off is John Walker Patton next time on the Hybrid Author Podcast and John and I chat on Overcoming the Shadows, Triumph, Vulnerability and Inspiring Through Memoir. I wish you well on your author adventure this year and next week. That's it from me. Bye for now. [00:32:01] Speaker B: That's the end for now. [00:32:02] Speaker A: Authors. [00:32:03] Speaker B: I hope you are further forward in your author adventure after listening and I hope you'll listen next time. Remember to head on over to the Hybrid Author website at www.hybridauthor.com to get your free offer pass. It's Bye for now.

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