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[00:01:45] Speaker A: Hello Authors.
I hope you're all keeping well in whatever part of the world you reside and listen to the podcast in today's interview is with award winning writer, keynote speaker, creativity specialist, and children's author Joel Mcero on writing graphic novels for kids and we chat about Joel's first junior fiction graphic novel, urban legend Hunters, the Dreaded Mr. Snipe, published by Larriken House. Whether you need to be a visual person to write graphic novels, his advice to authors looking to write in this genre and score a traditional publishing deal, and much more so in my author adventure this week. It feels like it's been a week of clearing the decks, just working through my built up to do list of administration tasks, which, to be honest, I felt have been avalanching me for a while.
My inbox has been full of some emails like all these red flags, and I've just got a big sort of notes open and a running list of things that need to be done and just trying to prioritize hierarchy of jobs and what needs to be done so it feels so good once you clear the decks. And so I've been busy booking in the next batch of guest recordings for the podcast. That's not going to be until mid March now because I am busy getting ready for the literary festival that I'm speaking at on the 7 March roadblocks in writing. That's at Australian Library, Thursday the 7 March. So if you're down that way, come and join in. Come and say hello and look us up. That would be great. I have also undertook my first written interview for world class performer, and that was quite a different experience, actually, and one that was really enjoyable. So recently I shared on social media that I had my first podcast appearance, which was with TRBM. That's the reluctant book marketing podcast with Jodie J. Sperling. So if you haven't seen that, I shared the links on social media. I shared in the episode last week as well. And obviously my episode with Jodie went out last week too, because we did like a back to back podcast session. And so that was my first podcast interview, which was natural for.
So that. And this written interview was really good too. So I mean, you get to obviously write your answers, no one's kind of there, and then just send them through. So yeah, I like that style as well. So that was really interesting and I'll share when that comes out online. I've been busy doing a financial plan for the book business, and that is to do with the book, the business course that I've been doing. And that's been a little bit eye opening in terms of just the actual terms that are used within a business plan. I feel like financial stuff is not my forte, it's not my strong suit in business, but this is really helping, actually.
And then this financial plan is part of the author business plan as well. It's not just an author business plan, there's more to it. I call it book business, but the hybrid author business, I suppose, business plan that I'm putting together. So there'll be more on that to come too, because I've not quite finished that. I've also started getting into the thick of the plot of my next writing project, which is a YA fiction novel. I'm hoping to get something together to put in for competition called the Hungerford Award, which is a local press here in Western Australia, Fremantle Press, who are running the award, but it closes on the 17 March and I'm not sure if the work's going to be ready by then, so we'll just have to wait and see. But I am loving start of a new project, entering a new world. It's not quite a new world because it's kind of set in the south of Western Australia, but it's just so fictitious and it's nice to just world build and make stuff up in a small town, which is just what I love. I love small town stories. And, yeah, I don't really feel like I've written many, so this is probably a first for me. And I love the characters, the protagonist in this, the female. And it's told from, like, a male and a female's perspective. And it's a love story and there's lots to it as well. So I'm very, very excited. I can't say too much more because I actually don't know myself either. So it's all exciting there. If you reside in Perth or Australia at the moment, you're probably like me, sitting absolutely sweating buckets of sweat, having our heat wave at the moment. And I think that it's hard to say, but just enjoy because winter will be with us soon enough and we'll all be freezing. But I definitely. Autumn is my favorite month. My birthday is in May. I'm an autumn gal through and through, because in Australia it's coming off these heat waves. We're in like, the 40s, which is. It's not enjoyable. You can't be outside. And even up north, it's in the. Don't know how these people don't just combust.
It's crazy.
So it's nice when autumn comes and just that heat dies out and it's still sunny, though, but you're still wrapped up a bit more and the colors change. And I just really look forward to that. Last night I went out with some ladies from Squibby, the Society of Children's Book Writers and illustrators, and we chatted. Squibby Business because I'm also the newsletter editor of Squibby West, Australia west and the social media coordinator. That's what volunteer role I have. Yeah, we went for dinner at.
Gosh, it was like an asian fusion place, I suppose it was called longchim, and had some drinks and we actually went to the Perth concert hall and saw it was like sort of in conversation with Henry Winkler. So for those who don't know him, because I actually thought, I know that name and I have to look it up. And it was the, you know, from happy days, Sunday, Monday, happy days. I don't think that's how it goes. But the theme tune's been going through my mind all day because I put a post on social media and of our pictures of us being there. And, yeah, I put that on as the theme tune and it was just great. Like, it was absolutely packed out. And he was such a lovely guy. Really positive, powerful messages he spreads about putting 1ft in front of the other as creatives towards your dream.
People who are trying to be perfectionist perfectionists are just going to be still being perfecting perfection for the rest of their lives, because there's no such thing. And it's really all about putting yourself out there, taking steps towards your living your dreams. And he talked about his career, obviously, his family, his children. He answered questions in the audience and then he gave everyone a picture at the end. Now the queues were massive and we were just like, oh, nah. And then as we were walking out, because he's actually a children's author, he has written like 40 od books for children with Lyn Oliver, who is the head honcho across at Squibby in America. Like Squibby headquarters, the original Squibby, they've collaborated together with children's books, so we quickly managed to get a picture with them before anybody else and sneaked out. But, yeah, so you can check out pictures over on social media. I feel like I haven't been out to many events lately, and then they all feel like they're coming at once. I suppose now that I've got the women's Fitchken project out the way and there's still some business admin stuff I need to tidy up, then I will truly feel like everything I wanted to do last year is done. Obviously a little later than planned, but as long as it gets done, that's the main point. So I've got a book launch this weekend. I'm meeting up with a bunch of other Squibby people. There's a few more events this month. Again with Squibby. They've got quite a lot happening at the writers festival as well. Lots of western australian authors presenting, so no doubt I'll float along to a few of those. And we have a night with our stars coming up in March. It just feels like the calendar of events for 2024, probably within the children's fiction writing genre, has just exploded. So if you're not out there yet, get out there and meet some local authors, even in your own backyard. If you're listening in from a different country, check out where you're at, what's in your neighborhood, what events are there, because I tell you what, it just fills you with inspiration. Even going to see the Fonz last night. He was just such a great speaker. Like, I got a lot out of it. I got a really good message and just spurs you on to just lights you up to keep going, to keep going forward in the face of your dreams, to do the things you want to do. Just do them really. And that also is a message that comes through in the upcoming interview with Joel Mcero. He talks about those that do and those that don't, and that's the difference. And yeah, it's a great interview from Joel.
[00:10:18] Speaker C: Coming up.
[00:10:18] Speaker A: Nigh.
[00:10:25] Speaker C: Based out of Melbourne, Australia, Joel Mcero is an award winning writer, keynote speaker, creativity specialist, children's author, educator, and having performed for hundreds of thousands of people throughout the world as one of Australia's most successful internationally touring performance poets, his first junior fiction graphic novel is urban legend hunters, the Dreaded Mr. Snipe, which is due for release with Larrykin House Publishers in early 2024. Welcome to the hybrid author podcast, Joel.
[00:10:56] Speaker D: Thank you. It's fabulous to be here getting to chat to you today.
[00:10:59] Speaker C: Oh, we're thrilled to have you. Thanks for coming on. So we'll just get right in. If you can tell us how you got into writing and publishing.
[00:11:07] Speaker D: Sure, no worries. So as you heard from my bio there, I'm kind of only really beginning to write over the last year or two or three, beginning to write, kind of getting into the fiction side of things. But I've been a full time poet for the last, what, 15 years now. Poetry has been my life, so writing requirement, performance poet. So I do a lot of touring around the world, getting to perform at festivals and conferences and just touring, doing shows all over the place. So my life has kind of been a touring poet and I've got lots of books and albums and that kind of thing. And then Covid hit and all of the touring stopped and I'd started getting into writing kind of more fiction style and kids fiction style just before COVID And then when Covid hit, I obviously couldn't do anything else except homeschool my kids and write. So I really started writing a lot of fiction over the time of COVID and then that has now led into this series coming out in 2024.
My life has been poetry and writing for a long time, and now it's begun to move into the fiction side of things.
[00:12:18] Speaker C: Amazing. And it kind of blows my mind, or maybe I'm small minded or living under a rock that you've had such a career as like a poet, because I think the stereotypes with poet is either it's a dying art or you can't make any money or not make a career out of it. So it's amazing to hear that you've had such a fruitful career as well, taking all over the world with the poetry.
[00:12:40] Speaker D: Yeah, it's been a hard slug, of course, as well. I mean, similar, I suppose, in some ways, probably, to the whole idea of the hybrid author, of bringing in different. Not just sticking to one particular genre in writing, but also not just sticking to one particular writing form. And in terms of my career, I think it's really taken off because it's included lots and lots of different things. So I go into schools and perform and I do festivals and conferences and as I said, I write books and I do albums. And so I have kind of a whole plethora of different things that have all come together over the years to, I think, allow it to be my full time thing. But there's not too many of us time full time poets, especially in Australia. There's a few. There's a few, but not too.
[00:13:24] Speaker C: Oh, well, that's amazing. So getting into the graphic novels, like you said, obviously Covid took away the traveling with the poetry, and it's still the gift that keeps on giving. As we just spoke, I've just gotten over Covid, so it's still very much around, but we're living with it and getting on with life. So with the graphic novels, why graphic novels? Is that something your kids enjoyed and then you enjoyed reading together, or was this just so your book that you've got coming out and the idea for the series, did that just. You got that from reading with your kids and things?
[00:13:55] Speaker D: Yeah, my kid has been a big part of it and still is. So I think probably was just before COVID as well that I really started getting into graphic novels with my son. So he's, what is he now? He's nine now. So it was kind of right at that age of moving from picture books into kind of junior fiction, graphic and illustrated junior fiction kind of things. It was about that time, so starting to read that and really loving the format. And obviously as a poet, I'm a very visual kind of person, playing metaphor and similes and imagery, and that's been my life. And then seeing these junior fiction stories played out with illustration and then more the straight graphic novel style getting into books like Lightfall. There's a beautiful graphic novel series called Lightfall by Tim Probert and the Amulet series, and Jason Pammond, who's an australian author, he's got a few different graphic novels so, yeah, basically was getting into them through reading to my kids and just loving the style. And I'd never really been in my teenage years, I'd never really gotten into the comic book side of things. I'd read a few scattered ones over the years, but then have since, especially over the last five years, I've just become obsessed with graphic novels and reading them and comic books and going back through all the old DC comics and Marvel comics, and I'm just loving it. So definitely started with my kids and then became my kind of focus as well, with a lot of my writing. So with urban legend hunters, this series that I'm bringing out, but then also writing in a bunch of other series at the moment that takes up that similar genre of graphic novel.
[00:15:34] Speaker C: Yeah, it's a massive market, graphic novels, isn't it? I can only say I've read a couple, but when I venture into the library and I look at the YA section and stuff, I guess manga, is that classified as a graphic novel?
[00:15:48] Speaker D: Yeah, manga is a huge component of it.
[00:15:53] Speaker C: Sorry, you go.
[00:15:54] Speaker D: I was just going to say, yeah, a lot of. So many of the librarians and a lot of the publishers and agents and stuff that I talk to as well for junior fiction and middle grade graphic novels is kind of where it's at at the moment. There's a lot of interest in them and a lot of reading of them.
What's really nice is that it's from kind of your ten, 1112 year old boys. Like, they've found a genre that they actually really love and where it used to be, I think, especially in schools, that teachers, I think, looked down upon graphic novels as not proper reading, not proper reading. Now, I think they're realizing, actually, this is the way in for so many young people, which is super exciting. It's great.
[00:16:34] Speaker C: Yeah, absolutely. But, yeah, the libraries, they have these. Well, my library anyway, these displays and stuff, and it always catches my eye on the weight of the toilet. But this stuff, some of it is quite dark as well. But for, like, an older audience, even tv shows, they seem to have sort of reverted into comics. So, yeah, I feel like there's a whole big market that I'm not aware of out there, but it's pretty cool. And, yeah, I have heard that it's on the rise with young people, and I think anything that gets them to pick up a book and read anything is fantastic.
[00:17:04] Speaker D: It is wonderful.
[00:17:05] Speaker C: Yeah. Well, I can see, obviously, being a poet yourself and then going into the graphic novels, being kind of like the short form as well. And you mentioned that you're quite a visual person. Do you believe you have to be a visual person to be able to produce a graphic novel? Well, not produce it, but write one.
[00:17:19] Speaker D: Do you have to be a visual person?
I think you have to be able to see it is a very different style, too.
Poetry, in many ways, is almost the complete opposite. Poetry is a very insular, reflective. It's all about reflective writing. But with graphic novel writing, similar to screenwriting as well, you've got dialogue and you got action and you've got the scene and the illustration that comes with it. And that has to communicate what's happening at the deeper level. And so I think you've got to be able to kind of see that. Not just to see kind of a lot of writing that we do. Is that more reflective or universal or abstract? Conceptual, but to see the story play out in your mind? And so I think that probably we all have that ability, especially because all of us brought up on tv shows and movies, et cetera. We all have that ability, I think, to see things visually play out in scenes. But it's definitely a different way of thinking and writing, hugely so than poetry, but also probably than fiction as well. I think it's much more akin to screenwriting. Yeah. For tv shows and movies and that kind of stuff.
[00:18:33] Speaker C: That's great. Yeah. I haven't heard it put that way, but that's really interesting. And I have had experience with writing tv scripts and films and stuff like that. So to tackle it in that way is really.
[00:18:42] Speaker D: Yeah, that makes the way, even in the way that I write it. So what I give to my publisher, to Larrakin House is I'm not the illustrator. The illustrator is Wayne Bryant, stunning illustrator of the novels. So what I give to them is kind of essentially what my book looks like. It's quite an interesting, I suppose, interweaving of two different styles as well. So it's graphic novel style, but it also has kind of narration. So it's narration that's highly illustrated that then moves into more graphic novel style. Panels for dialogue and action, kind of that paneling that you might think of with comic books and graphic novels. So it's this interweaving between narration and graphic novel in narration and graphic novel coming back and forth. So it's quite a unique style in that sense as well. And the way that I kind of write it up is the narration as normal narration would be, but more as kind of in a poetic kind of set out way. So different line breaks and things like that, and then the dialogue points adjust like you would with a screenplay writing dialogue for each character. And then with illustration notes kind of written next to them for the, obviously, the illustrator adds in whatever they feel as they're going as well. But for the key, I kind of put in what the illustrations that I really want to see in there as well. So it's a different, definitely a unique style of writing it up as well. What I give to my publishers.
[00:20:03] Speaker C: Yeah, that's amazing. And did they request it like that, or had you just done some research? That's how you're going to lay it out and give it to them?
[00:20:09] Speaker D: It kind of naturally formed like that. So I'd pitched it originally to them as a. Well, I kind of had had the idea and wasn't sure yet whether it would be a picture book or a kind of junior fiction, illustrated or graphic novel. And so it was just in the kind of working out of the book that we worked it out as kind of a whole series. And that we worked it out in that kind of unique style and how we'd write it together. So in some ways, that came simply through, I think, the natural process of writing it with the editors there at Larryken House.
[00:20:43] Speaker C: Yeah, that's really cool. Well, please tell us about the books and the.
[00:20:48] Speaker D: Absolutely. Yeah. So, urban legend hunters. So the first one is called the dreaded Mr. Snipe. And it's about some kids who are at their school campsite and telling the ghost story of the dreaded Mr. Snipe. Who no one knows exactly who he is. They just know he's the old wrinkly man who lives next to the school campsite, who takes the footballs and the soccer balls that are kicked over the fence. He comes out with a samurai sword, and he cuts them in half with a maniacal smile and laugh in his eyes. And so it's kind of all based around this storytelling moment, which, as a storyteller, as a poet, we kind of love to shape it around that. So Jeremy Jibia invites some kids to, what did we call it? The urban legend hunters nighttime terror extravaganza, storytelling by the fire, and tells them this story of the dreaded Mr. Snipe. And then the next day, of course, the Samantha Small, who's our kind of main protagonist, kicks the ball over the fence and has to go and find it. And while she's there, drops a ring, a precious ring of hers, on the ground. And so then they have to go back at night to try to get the ring. And then Mr. Snipe arrives and all hell breaks loose, essentially.
[00:22:06] Speaker C: Wow. I love it. That's awesome. Have you shared it with your kids?
[00:22:10] Speaker D: I have, yes, I've read it.
They're some of my greatest critics and supporters. I always read my stuff with my kids, actually, because I think I'm very passionate about books should be written. I mean, we kind of say they are, but books should be written for the kids, for a kid to pick up. And this is what Larkin House is all about as well, which is one of the reasons why I love them, is that we should be writing books that kids will pick up and they will love. They will laugh their heads off and be entertained by and really enjoy. Often, I think we can write kind of books that we say are for kids, but they're a bit more for us, which is totally fine. That's a genre in and of itself, I suppose, think these books. So I've loved reading them to my kids. They have laughed a lot at just the right moments and given me weird looks of. I don't even know what that means, dad. When I've said stuff, I'm like, oh, that's something I better change then. But they love urban legend hunters. My daughter, even just the other day, she's like, dad, next year for book week, I'm going to dress up as cemet. The.
[00:23:10] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, that's like a goal of mine, I think, to put a book out and see someone wearing a character.
[00:23:16] Speaker D: Book week. Yeah, that's right.
[00:23:19] Speaker C: For sure. That's really cool. That is great.
[00:23:21] Speaker D: That's nice.
[00:23:22] Speaker C: Yeah, I agree as well. I think obviously, like, as an older adult and writing in the children's fiction genres and stuff like that, you can have these ideas and you're sort of tapping into, I guess, when you were a kid and some stuff, obviously feelings and things can spill over to still be the same today, but there's a lot that's changed and a lot that's different and yeah, definitely getting from the kids perspective is good. Well, you've already shared so much, Joel, but do you have any sort of pieces of information you wanted to share with other writers or like aspiring authors who want to write in the graphic novel genre?
[00:23:56] Speaker D: Oh, sure, yeah. So what I would say is, I think if you have an idea, sit down and write the thing, as in, someone once said to me that a very simple statement, but it's really true, especially with writing, is the difference between those who do something and those who don't do something is that those who do something do something, as in the only way with all the stuff that I write, the only way that it actually comes to be is when I sit down and force myself to. And there's the initial romantic honeymoon time that you have with an idea and you get those first things out, whether it's a first scene or whether you plot it out and you've got the idea in your head. But truly, the difference that I've seen between those who actually bring something out into the world and those who don't is simply that those who do, they sit there and they push through. When the honeymoon phase ends and they show up and they write, they do the hard work, and in doing the hard work, they allow themselves the grace of just writing a really crappy first draft, allowing it to be what it is, and then being able to work on it. All the kind of stuff that you would hear from any author. I think if you can give yourself the grace of writing whatever wants to come out, but then give yourself the discipline and the kick up the butt to actually do the work, they're the two magical things, I think, that brings something together. Yeah, that's probably what I would say.
[00:25:18] Speaker C: Yeah, absolutely. I know. Well, that's it. Hey, isn't it? Sit down and get it done. Yeah. And get through all those roadblocks that can arise. I've spent a lot of time noticing my process over the last, probably a couple of years, and I'm very easily distracted to sit down and get up and go to the toilet. Sit down and go make a cup of tea.
[00:25:37] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:25:39] Speaker C: And I will go off on a tangent, but I've noticed that about myself now and also rereading over longer form works. I used to spend a lot of time, say, writing a paragraph, then I go back and reread it over and then write a sentence. Reread. Oh, my gosh. The time I must have spent just trying to make it all flow. And now I've kind of kicked that bad habit because it was a procrastination, I think, for sure. Yeah, don't do that anymore. But, yes. Well, obviously, landing a traditional publishing deal as well is what many aspire to. And Larkin publishing house are fantastic. So did you guys make the connection together? And what is your advice for authors trying to get a trad pub deal?
[00:26:22] Speaker D: Yeah, totally. Well, this is a funny story in and of itself, actually. So we met at Somerset Story Fest, which is one of the big schools literary festivals up in Australia, up in Gold coast, and we met, and actually, this is something that I would say is to people wanting to be published in the traditional publishing world is, I think, so many of the authors that I've spoken to who have been published, it's been through some kind of personal connection. Of course, there's one or two who will get through the slush pile of just sending it into people. But if you can, there's festivals and there's conferences, things like, there's like kid lit Victoria over here, I know that put you in the room. You get kind of five minutes or ten minutes to hang out with an agent or a publisher and pitch to something to them. So many of the authors that I know who have had things published, it's been through a personal connection where they know your name and they know your face. If you can do that somehow, if you can work out how to do that, even if you've got to spend $200 to go to a festival or a conference like that and put yourself out there, I think you're going to be much more successful in getting things through that kind of initial door that so many of us find blocked for a long time.
For me, that's what happened. So, as I said, I've been doing conferences and festivals for 15 years and lots within the school scene and that age range, and so was invited as a poet up to Somerset story Fest to perform and run workshops on poetry. And as I was doing that, I was sitting in the green room and hadn't met Danny V and James Layton, who are the crew from Larrakin House before. And so just started getting chatting to them, and they were telling me about Larrakin House, and they said, oh, we're always looking for aspiring authors. Have you got something that you want to pitch to us? And I said to them at that point, I said, yep, I'll pitch it to you tomorrow, if that sounds okay. And they were like, sure. So I actually went back to the hotel, and I wrote it that afternoon. So I'd had the idea in my head on the plane on the way up, I'd had the idea from a memory of mine, of being kids in our backyard and the old, angry neighbor over the fence who would come out and yell at us if our balls went over the fence. And so I had this kind of creative idea, what if that neighbor was actually something much more sinister than just angry, cranky old neighbor? And that idea was in my head that I had in the plane of like, oh, I could write something up. And then when they asked me that, and I knew Larraken House is very much about comedy based, and I didn't have anything specific. I'd written a whole bunch of stuff fiction, but hadn't had anything specifically comedy to the extent that Larraken House wanted. And I was like, I can do I. So I said to them, yeah, I'll pitch it to you tomorrow. So I went and wrote it as a, I wrote it initially, as I said, as kind of was about 1000 word, not sure whether it was going to be kind of picture book junior fiction illustrated or what it was, and pitched that to them the next day, the idea and what it looked like and everything. And they said, we love it, but yeah, we reckon it's graphic novel. What if you go and add another kind of 14,000 words essentially to it over the next few months? But we're keen to sign it. We're keen to do it. So such a random story. And in some ways, the only way that I've reflected on it since, partly it's, I don't know, that saying that anything creative is 10% skill and 90% courage or dumb luck to say, no, I can do this, and I'm going to go and do it. And so in some ways, I had the personal connection. I've worked damn hard at my craft for 15 years so that I know that if I say, yes, I can do this, I'll go home and I'll be able to do it. And then the courage and the bravery to believe that enough in myself that I can go and do that and pitch it to them and at all kind of stemmed from there. So very random story, but it's, you.
[00:30:04] Speaker C: Say random, but it sounds to me like it was meant to be. Do you know what I mean? You had that idea on the way there, and then you sort of met them and then you kind of pitched it and they went for it. We did have Danny v. And James Layton on the show last year, last year being 2024. And I'm pretty sure if I remember the interview that they did mention yourself and said, I think Danny said, we'd just seen them and we had to have them.
[00:30:31] Speaker D: They're great. They're such a wonderful crew, a great publisher. If anyone is looking at publishing, definitely chat to the Larrikin house guys.
[00:30:38] Speaker C: Oh, that's fantastic. Well, that's really good advice, Joe. And we're really, really excited for the books when they come out. Huge congratulations to yourself. Can you share with our audience where can they discover all your works that you do and everything on and offline?
[00:30:56] Speaker D: Sure. Yeah. So joelmakero.com is my website. McKerow, joelmakero.com and that's kind of got either the links or everything that I do, so obviously through instagram and it's kind of my main socials as well. But the website will have the links to the books urban legend hunters and to the podcast that I do and to different online courses that I run and all the different things that I do. But that would be the place. Joelmakero.com oh, well, that was amazing, Joel.
[00:31:28] Speaker C: Thank you so much.
[00:31:29] Speaker D: My pleasure. Great to chat. Thanks, Joe.
[00:31:38] Speaker A: So there you have it folks, the lovely Larrakin Joe McCarro and some great graphic novel tips he shares. Look out for his urban legend Hunters book series releasing with Larrakin House Publishing house in the next month or two, I believe. And yeah, they just look fantastic. Next time on the hybrid author podcast, we have Chris Trammell, creator, head coach and CEO of the author Launchpad, a program where he helps authors, speakers and experts make an impact. I wish you well in your author adventure this next week. That's it from me. Bye for now.
[00:32:11] Speaker B: That's the end for now, authors. I hope you are further forward in your author adventure after listening, and I hope you'll listen next time. Remember to head on over to the hybrid author
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